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  End times madness?

  by erbie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife's parents who are pretty obsessed with the watchtower religion are going on holiday more than they are at home these days and spending money like it is something evil to be got rid of.

  i have not been to a meeting in a long time but after reading the thread on hysteria by campaign of hate and the whole tv broadcasting thing i got to wondering if they really are ramping up the 'sense of urgency'.

  many on here are better informed than me so i'd be interested to hear whether this is a common thing..

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  For the JWs it is always "end times madness."  It is like that furniture store that is having the perpetual "GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!!!"  Having gone through the fiasco that was 1975....it is no different today.  There is always something somewhere that somehow has some bearing on the so-called end.  
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  Clever/snappy comeback for "you're an apostate"

  by Dagney in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm looking for some clever comebacks.

  i really don't care that i am an apostate, but would like to deliver a quick comeback or two to perhaps make the other person think.

  any suggestions most welcome.

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  The current GB are the apostates.  You can not change truth to fit the circumstances of prophecy gone awry.  They have changed the script and for that.....I no longer believe.  God's supposed channel is now digital and everyone knows that God is old- school analog.
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  JW TV is the reason for the hysteria in the KH

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you, like me, have noticed the sudden increase in hysteria in the khs right now, i put it down to that jw tv site.

  its's far more extensive than i thought it was, i thought it was just 1, 1 hour program a month.

  there's a s*** load of videos on that site.. and the real problem, from just watching a clip from each video, is that these guys are clearly "mentally unstable".

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  Propaganda is a powerful thing.  Put a believable face behind anything and it will be eaten up by those susceptible non-critical thinking people.  Everyone's trying to sell you something.....
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  I have no Real Friends!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have come to a startling and sad realisation!.

  i have no real friends!.

  i have always been extremely active in every aspect of the org, since childhood.

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  The Searcher stated that there are "countless others" out there just like you.  I agree.  For years, you have been taught that the only friend is someone in the congregation.  Well, having been in your position especially since I started to fade, I changed my tactics.  I started to reach out to people that I respected in my industry.  I made lunch plans, golf dates, and started contacting them for advice in business and industry.  I have found a handful of true friends.  People who have my back and know that I have theirs.  

  I realize that in the end, we are lucky to have a handful of true friends.  Having been in the ORG all my life, I realized that there was only one real friend that I had.  The others were conditional and our friendship was based on our religious interactions or they were so screwed up by the constant judging and scrutiny that they were not much good in times of crisis.

  
  

  Don't let it get you down.  Go to your neighbourhood starbucks and look on the information board.  Join a club.  Join a language group.  An interest group.  Start a band.  Go on a cancer walk.  Volunteer for something.  Turn off the freaking TV and go back to school.  You will find, as The Searcher states, there are "countless others."
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  WOW gotta check out this Charles Sinutko talk "Is It Proper to have doubts?"

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so manipulaitve.

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  http://www.printcentralandsigns.com/jwtalks/covisits/sinutko%20charles%20-%20is%20it%20proper%20to%20have%20doubts.mp3.

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  Wonder where he would be now?  As a DO, he would have been displaced and retired.  What a shame....would he have had doubts then?  The gravy train came to an end didn't it?  Rock star status?  We all go the way of the DODO my friend?  Of this, I HAVE NO DOUBT.
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  Feeling low

  by campaign of hate in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  christ, my mind feels f***ed.

  there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?

  cult?

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  You ever play a game that requires one move after another...chess?   Billiards?  That is what it must become.   Plan and strategy....that's what matters.  I am closer to being completely out than I was yesterday  and THAT is all that matters.  Every day is one inch, one step, two steps, a yard, a mile, a fathom....it doesn't matter.  It is like simple interest, you may not see the riches after a couple of weeks, but down the road...cha-ching!
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  Need advice on a comeback to my wife: when she is in cult mode she says faith without works is dead.

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i have gotten into arguements with my wife in the past about this cult.

  now a days after reading steve hassan books...i just try and avoid anything jdub with her.

  try to keep her in authentic mode..(not sure she really has one).

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  Ephesians 2:9-  Written by the Apostle Paul...."For it is by grace you have been saved through faith and this is not from ourselves, it is the gift of God...NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast."

  There it is...clear as crystal.  Works will NOT save you.  You can work all you like....it is futile....
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  WOW gotta check out this Charles Sinutko talk "Is It Proper to have doubts?"

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so manipulaitve.

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  http://www.printcentralandsigns.com/jwtalks/covisits/sinutko%20charles%20-%20is%20it%20proper%20to%20have%20doubts.mp3.

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  Sinutko....I think you can see the root of the problem in his name.
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  Grandpa died, they didn't say anything

  by Sir cid fatos in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey guys.

  my grandpa died recently, for a reason i told my jw friends about it.

  and they literally didn't say anything about it at moved on to another subject like nothing happened.

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  Sorry about your grandfather.  Many JWs are so shallow that any attempt at compassion comes across far from authentic and heartfelt.  Their funeral services are a joke.  They literally dehumanize the deceased due to their desire to ensure that any recollection of the person is put in the background so that they can use the time to market their belief in a resurrection.  So, imagine going to funeral talk after talk where the deceased is only remembered cause he came to meeting regularly and went out in service, a REAL FAITHFUL JW, but not once do they speak of their hopes, aspirations, accomplishments.  The person ceases to be a person.  He is a drone like every other witness.  So, when someone dies....
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  Conti Appeal Preview - Oral Argument Jan 14

  by Chaserious in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  with hopefully a good deal of interest here in the conti appeal tomorrow (or later today, depending on where you are), i thought that on my ride home from work tonight i'd preview what to expect and what i think the key issues are for any who are interested.

  i have had a busy few weeks and haven't had time to read everything, but i had some time to look at the appeal briefs during my work commute the past couple days.

  it'll be interesting to see what develops out of the network news coverage of this case.

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  One of the most telling things about this entire appeal is the effort on the part of the WT lawyer to distance the ORG from the actual relationship that appears to exist in the congregation.  The elders, in my opinion, have always been an agent of the ORG.  The ORG, at least at the time these events occurred, was in charge of appointing and removing through their representative, the CO.  The CO was not in charge, he was the middle-man, simply there to ensure that procedure was followed-through. When their appointment came in, there was a little green check next to their name, not put there by the CO but by someone at the Service Desk, the ORG's service desk.

  Today, that system has changed.  Probably because of the expected back lash from this case or others.  Now, the CO is solely in charge.  It will be his name, his liability on the line. 

  There are those on this page that are JW apologists, that is obvious.  They hold true to the belief that the ORG can do no wrong.  They believe that the ORG has only the best interests of the "brothers" in mind, I would hope that this was the case.  They forget, however, that we are talking about a huge, money driven ORG with legal and financial liabilities.  One can argue that they are simply trying to protect the Lord's earthly assets, and that argument is valid to some degree.  But, interestingly, the "Lord" that I have read about didn't care much for earthly treasures......

  I hope, for Candace's sake, that the ORG is found to have had a special relationship.  If that is the case, then we should see some extreme changes in policy.  That, if we all remember, is really all Candace was hoping to achieve.